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Camille Stell



Camille Stell is President of Lawyers Mutual Consulting and Services, offering succession planning, business development coaching, keynote presentations and more. Continue this conversation by contacting Camille at camille@lawyersmutualconsulting.com or 800.662.8843.

5 favorite legal podcastsI travel across the state for work and across the county getting to my office. As a result, I spent a good deal of time listening to podcasts. Here are my favorite legal podcasts from the summer of 2017.

Sex at Work with Leto Copely and Valerie Johnson, The Law Sisters. While Leto and Valerie are not actually sisters, they have practiced law together for 20 years. Their comfortable banter and easy repartee make learning about the law a lot easier. Sex at Work is an entertaining and informative look at the world of employment law played out each week in discussions of recent scandals, cases in the news (Uber we are looking at you) and segments such as “Bad Boss of the Week”. This is the Law Sisters first go at a podcast but it certainly does not feel that way.

Ear Hustle. An intriguing name, to ear hustle is to eavesdrop. Or as the Urban Dictionary says, “all up in somebody else’s business without knowing the details”. When you finish Ear Hustle, you know the details. Co-produced by San Quentin inmates Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, along with Bay Area artist, Nigel Poor, the series explores life as a prisoner inside San Quentin.

The podcast does not preach against the ills of mass incarceration or of a justice system that has glaring faults, instead, the show humanizes men who are spending decades in prison. They talk about everything from family and heartbreak to the difficulties of finding a compatible roommate.

With no training in the medium, rudimentary equipment, and boatloads of bureaucracy and red tape, Woods, Williams and Poor are becoming master storytellers and I am hooked. As I listen, I am reminded of Bryan Stevenson’s quote in his excellent book on social justice, Just Mercy, “Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done.”

Legal Talk Network. Legal Talk Network is a curated collection of podcasts featuring some of the best known names in practice management, marketing and legal news reporting. There are podcasts for law students, new lawyers, senior lawyers, in-house counsel and paralegals. This is a “must add” to your podcast feed as new content is created daily.

Divorce Discourse with Lee Rosen. Once upon a time a Raleigh lawyer, Lee is now traveling internationally while continuing to manage his law firm. Listen to hear his sometimes “tough love” advice for lawyers on technology, practice management and marketing. Lee also talks about how to work remotely and shares some of his life experiences as a digital nomad.

Bulldog Bites with Mark Enriques. Mark is a business litigator in the Charlotte office of Womble Carlyle. Bulldog Bites, featuring a handsome Winston the famous WCSR bulldog mascot, provides corporate attorneys with tips and insights from general counsel, politicians, analysts and leading business professionals. Mark’s recent show about Womble’s combination with the UK firm Bond Dickinson is an interesting inside look at how two firms across the pond met and fell in love.

The Gen Why Lawyer with Nicole Abboud. Nicole practiced law for 5 years before acknowledging a shocking revelation; she hated practicing law. She launched a podcast and a business, Abboud Media, where she works with lawyers to build their brands and grow their businesses. Each week, Nicole talks with lawyers who are sharing courageous stories and offering tactical advice about practicing law in unconventional ways.

Did you miss Camille’s Five Favorite Summer Podcasts post? Check it out here.

If you host your own podcast or you have a favorite legal podcast you follow, please continue this conversation by reaching out to Camille at 800.662.8843 or camille@lawyersmutualnc.com.

podcastI travel across the state for work and across the county getting to my office. As a result, I spent a good deal of time listening to podcasts. Here are my favorites from the summer of 2017.

S-Town. S-Town is an investigative journalism podcast created by the producers of the award-winning podcast, Serial. The host, Brian Reed, created S-Town in seven chapters and unlike the common form of releasing a chapter a week, released all seven chapters at once allowing followers to binge listen. The podcast was downloaded a record-breaking 10 million times in four days.

Reed lets us in on a secret; S-Town is actually a euphemism for “Shit Town”, the colorful name bestowed on the town of Woodstock, Alabama by the show’s even more colorful protagonist, John B. McLemore.

McLemore sends an email to Reed, a staff member of This American Life, asking him to investigate a murder in Woodstock. The journey Reed and McLemore takes is breathtaking with shocking turns of events. If you have ever lived in the rural south, you will recognize the characters and their stories, and your hearts will rise and break along with theirs.

Ear Hustle. An intriguing name, to ear hustle is to eavesdrop. Or as the Urban Dictionary says, “all up in somebody else’s business without knowing the details”. When you finish Ear Hustle, you know the details. Co-produced by San Quentin inmates Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, along with Bay Area artist, Nigel Poor, the series explores life in San Quentin.

The podcast does not preach against the ills of mass incarceration or of a justice system that has glaring faults, instead, the show humanizes men who are spending decades in prison. They talk about everything from family and heartbreak to the difficulties of finding a compatible roommate.

With no training in the medium, rudimentary equipment, and boatloads of bureaucracy and red tape, Woods, Williams and Poor are becoming master storytellers and I am hooked. As I listen, I am reminded of Bryan Stevenson’s quote in his excellent book on social justice, Just Mercy, “Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done.”

Masters of Scale with Reid Hoffman. Internet entrepreneur, venture capitalist and LinkedIn co-founder Reid Hoffman interviews famous founders such as Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, Sheryl Sandberg of Facebook and Lean In, Eric Schmidt of Google and Sara Blakely of Spanx.

Hoffman explores such ideas such as leadership, building company culture, critical problem solving and gender equality in the workplace.

Revisionist History. One of my favorite social scientists and authors, Malcolm Gladwell, examines the way the passage of time “changes and enlightens our understanding of the world around us.” One of my favorite episodes from last season was “My Little Hundred Million”. This episode looks at the ideologies behind charitable giving and educational philanthropy. An episode this year that got my attention was “A Good Walk Spoiled”. Because of this episode, I’ll never look at golf courses in the same way.

WDW Prep to Go. Walt Disney World. Enough said. Well, perhaps a little more. Shannon Albert, the host of this delightful podcast offers tips to planning the most magical Disney vacation. Her website is a “must visit” if you are planning a trip and her six step planning process is a great model.

I hope your summer has allowed for some down time and in the remaining weeks, you will get a chance to listen to some of these great stories.

Avvo Logo2 processThis continues to be a time of disruption and transition in the legal field. As an example of the changes, we can look no further than the North Carolina State Bar’s (State Bar) on-again, off-again relationship with LegalZoom and the resulting legal action.

Next, consider the State Bar’s recent response to Avvo. In late 2016, a few members of the bar asked whether it was ethical for a lawyer to participate in an online platform for accessing legal services. Even though other states were declaring an ethical war with Avvo, the State Bar established a subcommittee of the Ethics Committee to study the inquiry. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say almost everyone who agreed to serve on the subcommittee was certain of their position – an opinion allowing lawyers to participate was a bad idea.

Following eight months of study and discussion, the subcommittee was unanimous in their decision to publish a proposed opinion that allowed lawyers to participate in such a platform. At the July 27, 2017 quarterly Ethics Committee meeting, the Ethics Committee voted to publish the opinion and seek comments from the members of the bar. Look for the opinion in the upcoming issue of the State Bar Journal, as well as online at the State Bar’s website, www.ncbar.gov.

Future of Professions

Every profession has experienced great turmoil and disruption in the 21st century. Consider your local accountant and the impact on their practice by tax preparation software such as Turbo Tax, the medical profession with online diagnosis sites such as WebMD and remote diagnosis and treatment via telemedicine. All of us have seen the impact on journalists and newspapers. Does Rupert Murdoch own all of the news?

Challenges

There are many challenges facing lawyers today: increased cost, increased competition, business development and marketing, administrative burden, outdated delivery of services, outdated practices, information overload, generational differences, changing business model and alternative legal service providers.

I believe today’s clients will drive a revolution in the delivery of legal services. Clients are empowered with information, harder to engage, want to do-it-themselves, and are more connected and have more options than ever before. Clients will demand transparency (in pricing and process), innovative problem solving and client teams that can deliver timely results at appropriate pricing.

Clients also desire an “effortless experience”. Banks provides this via ATMs available to us 24 hours, 7 days a week. Amazon provides this via online shopping 24 hours a day from the comfort of our homes with free two –day delivery.

I saw this post by Alberto Brea on social media:

· Amazon didn’t kill the retail industry. They did it to themselves with bad customer service.

· Netflix did not kill Blockbuster. They did it to themselves with ridiculous late fees.

· Uber did not kill the taxi business. They did it to themselves by limiting the number of taxis and fare control.

· Apple did not kill the music industry. They did it to themselves by forcing people to buy full-length albums.

· Air B&B did not kill the hotel industry. They did it to themselves by limited availability and pricing options.

· Technology by itself is not the real disrupter, being non-customer centric is the biggest threat to any business.

Market Conditions

Law school debt is at an all-time high. Depending on whether you graduate from a public versus a private law school, you may be looking at $160k-$250k in debt. According to a recent US News & World Report, UNC-Chapel Hill Law School 2016 graduates had an average debt of $95k among the 75% of their students graduating with debt.

Lawyers are also unemployed and underemployed at extremely high rates. A few years ago, there was one job for every three lawyers. My law school colleagues tell me the numbers are better today. However, many lawyers are underemployed, working jobs that do not require a J.D., working contract positions and running solo practices that barely make the rent.

I talk with experienced lawyers who are struggling. Many practices have never recovered from the Great Recession, their client base is dwindling, their practice area has been hit by tort reform or new regulations. While many of these lawyers would benefit from modernizing their law practices, they don’t know how, they are afraid of ethical and malpractice risks or they are resistant to change.

Yet many young lawyers and young practices are thriving. These lawyers tend to have one thing in common, the use of technology to run very lean law practices. Many of these firms do not employ any employees, they use virtual staff, the lawyers are “do-it-yourself-ers” and they are heavy adapters of technology.

I am in front of lawyers almost daily. I talk to many lawyers who entered law school knowing the high likelihood that they would start their own firm. While they are not afraid of entrepreneurship, they do need modern ways to allow modern clients to find them. This is why in recent years the Ethics Committee has seen inquiries from lawyers asking permission to send text advertising or to offer iPads to potential clients. These are not only “new” advertising ideas to attract potential clients, but these also offer a common means of communication with clients.

Bad Apples

Some lawyers question whether online platforms are presenting an opportunity for only the bad apples to participate. This argument assumes there is some vetting process in place when people hire a lawyer

in person rather than online. I think the combined experience of Lawyers Mutual and the State Bar is that there will be lawyers who make mistakes and lawyers who will behave unethically. However, that happens whether the lawyer is hired online or whether the client goes to the local lawyer across from the courthouse. In some instances, it will be easier for the online bad apple to be exposed and the client protected because of online reviews and consumer friendly reimbursement policies.

Conclusion

My desire is not to see online legal provider platforms take over consumer-based or small business- serving law practices. However, I do believe we need to level the playing field for lawyers who are trying to build 21st century practices for 21st century clients.

I believe the clients who are attracted to online platforms are ordinary people in your community who would hire their local lawyer if the lawyer would do four simple things:

· educate potential clients about their legal needs

· show potential clients how you can provide solutions to those needs

· market yourself so that potential clients can find you

· present potential clients with pricing they can understand – not necessarily discount pricing but rather transparency in pricing

Most online platforms offer these benefits to their clients. My hope is that more lawyers will design their own 21st century offices. In the meantime, I am pleased with the proposed ethics opinion and I hope you will carefully study the issue and make your voice heard to the State Bar. And please, work towards building your own 21st century law firm.

Invite Lawyers Mutual to present “Building a 21st Century Law Firm” CLE for your local bar or law firm presentation. Continue this conversation by contacting Camille Stell at 800.662.8843 or camille@lawyersmutualnc.com.

Camille StellSome Lawyers Mutual names everyone knows, such as our claims attorneys Warren Savage or Wayne Stephenson. Or John Hester, one of the earliest employees who is celebrating 32 years with the Company. While a smaller number of insureds knew another of our long-term employees, her role was equally important. Connie Crumpler retired in 2016 celebrating 35 years of employment.

Connie joined Lawyers Mutual in 1982 and was one of three full-time employees. At that time, our President John Q. Beard was part-time and still practicing law on a full-time basis. Beard hired Connie as Director of Accounting and over the years, she worked in various departments and handled many jobs. She worked directly with our insured lawyers by collecting deductible payments.

Connie says, “Service is something that cannot be bought. We care about our insureds and their situations. Our staff travels all over the state to meet our insureds face to face. We want to know them and want them to know us. We want them to know we are here to help.”

Connie’s words echo the mind set of everyone who works at Lawyers Mutual. The passion we feel for our insureds is contagious, whether it’s the work we do in underwriting their firms, educating them about current risks, working with them on claims, writing dividend checks or providing health insurance benefits, everyone is dedicated to providing excellent customer service.

As the practice of law is changing, we are responding — collaborating with innovators in the profession to provide our insureds with valuable tools. We continue to ask, what will the practice of law look like in 5, 10, or 20 years?

We look for new ways to bring value. Visit our website at www.lawyersmutualnc.com for newly designed infographics and more than 50 practice guides containing form letters, checklists and best practices. Subscribe to our monthly e-newsletter, which also puts you on the email list for timely alerts and CLE program notifications. Also, call our toll-free Risk Management Hotline (800.662.8843) for one-on-one consultations about practice management, marketing, strategic planning, or succession planning.

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Camille StellGather at The Grove is a new addition to this year’s North Carolina Bar Association Annual Meeting.

This is an exclusive opportunity for you and your firm to have the retreat or strategy session you’ve been meaning to have.

Take advantage of using The Grove Park Inn’s beautiful meeting space to gather your team at no additional cost beyond registering for the annual meeting.

I will be facilitating sessions with solo, small law or big law firms, a service otherwise reserved for Lawyers Mutual insureds, made available only during the NCBA Annual Meeting.

I am available for a telephone call at our Risk Management hotline (800.662.8843) in advance of the meeting to determine how to best utilize our limited time together. Reserve your retreat time by contacting Erik Mazzone at emazzone@ncbar.org.

Topics for our time together include strategic planning, succession planning, strategic recruiting, practice management, marketing and business development.

21st century lawyers must be prepared to think strategically about their law practice. They must embrace change if change is called for. They must ask how their firms can leverage technology to ease the process for their clients. They must be prepared to deliver an effortless experience to their clients.

Let’s talk about how your firm can set and reach goals in accordance with a strategy. See you at The Grove.

Camille Stell is the Vice President of Client Services for Lawyers Mutual. Continue this conversation by contacting Camille at camille@lawyersmutualnc.com or 800.662.8843.